
I saw The Misfits a while ago, the John Huston film with Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. I ran out of the theater in tears. They do roundups in the film, which is how we get horses in the first place. We capture them, kidnap them and take them away from their lives. Horses form tight-knit bands and this shatters their social structure. Fouls are taken from their mothers and they are placed in a traumatizing, unnatural situation. This movie is a great example of why it's awful to take horses and make them work for us. Some people love The Misfits, but I was too upset to get through it. Huston didn't fake any of the roundup scenes. I hope others out there that saw the film had the same, moving reaction that I did. It would at least give his brutal, artistic choice some meaning in the world. It's not at all ok with me what Huston did here.
Roundup practices are what made horse-drawn carriages possible in the first place. These carriages have always upset me. Horses are beautiful, galloping creatures that are meant to run in the wild. You can see in their eyes how miserable they are going alongside traffic, dealing with the noise, and not to mention the huge chance of collision. It's dangerous for both humans and the horses. This video illustrates my point:
I feel certain that it wasn't in God's plan to have these magnificent creatures that were meant to run in the wild live their lives this way. They are slaves...no freedom, no life, no joy.
Carriages are still popular in New York. I'm grateful to other tourist cities like Biloxi, Palm Beach, Key West, Paris and London, who are sophisticated enough to have already banned horse-drawn carriages. New York is considering the ban and I'm wondering what their hesitation is. There is a great speech given by veterinarian, Holly Cheever, at an event called "Yay or Neigh: Should the carriage industry be banned in NYC?". I've posted bits and pieces from her presentation below, but you can see the whole thing and get more info HERE.

Horses are exposed to health hazards such as:
RESPIRATORY DISEASE - horses working in traffic lanes are constantly nose-to-tailpipe, and show corresponding respiratory impairment
LAMENESS is a major problem for horses who must pound the city streets' unnaturally hard, concussive surfaces, especially since the majority are not given adequate farrier care and since many horses come into this industry with preexisting injuries or arthritis incurred in their previous uses on race tracks or Amish farms.
HEAT PROSTRATION is seen in many cities in the northern temperate zone and has been the leading cause of death in the carriage horse populations of New York, Atlanta, and Boston. Since New York City's asphalt surfaces have reached temperatures of 200 degrees Fahrenheit as reported in the New York Times, keeping horses sufficiently cool on hot summer days becomes impossible. The low end of the scale should include a wind chill factor for the obvious reason that all mammals are more susceptible to hypothermia when wind chill is present.
"SPOOKING" can happen to even the best trained and well-mannered horse. Their evolution as herbivores (i.e. prey animals) has conditioned them to bolt first and consider the situation later, dictating the need for the driver to be constantly in contact with the horse's head, whether by holding the reins securely from the carriage box or by standing at the horse's head with the reins in hand.
Here's what we can do to help move this ban forward:
"¢ This Friday, March 12th!! You can make a difference! The New York City Council's Consumer Affairs Committee is holding a public hearing. They will address several horse carriage bills like the NYCLASS (New Yorkers for Clean, Livable, and Safe Streets) bill which the NYLHV (New York League of Human Voters) has been working on for well over a year. The NYCLASS bill seeks to phase out the horse carriages over three years and replace them with the 21st Century eco-friendly, horseless carriage. This new industry offers the current horse carriage drivers high paying union jobs, establishes accountability measures to ensure a safe and fair industry, makes the City a leader in eco-tourism, and retires the current carriage horses to farms and sanctuaries!
"¢ You can attend the hearing and even speak at it. Check out their facebook page for the hearing HERE. And if you can't make it, click HERE to send a fax to your City Council Member urging support for the NYCLASS bill and opposing the horse carriage industry's undeserved fare increase bill.
"¢ Visit the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages and educate yourself. You will also find a petition on the site that you can sign to try and end this.
"¢ The most effective way to put a stop to this is to contact your local legislator and ask if they will sponsor a ban. Whether you are a New Yorker or not you can also contact the mayor's office. Additionally, you can contact New York City counsel members and ask them to support Intro 658-A, the bill to ban horse drawn carriages and to oppose Intro 653-A the industry bill.
"¢ You can sign this petition on the PETA website in conjunction with singer Pink's fight to end horse-drawn carriages. Pink is working hard to end this.

"¢ Watch the documentary called Blinders: The Truth Behind The Tradition, which takes an in-depth look at the horse-drawn carriage industry.
And finally, If you want that horse-carriage feel, why not go for the guys/gals on the bike taxis?! They want to do the job, they choose to do the job, and they always look so happy riding around! It's better than a taxi in terms of gas and such, and sorta has that same carriage-y vibe.
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farmgirl, there is no way that you can equate a few events to the horses in NY that do this all day everyday. Horses are not made to stand on cement or asphalt all day long, it is extremely bad for them! Plus, I see them out there in the heat of the summer with a bunch of people loaded into the carriage and they do not look happy at all! We have them here in Philly too and I feel so bad. They are in the middle of the city with all of those cars, buses, and people and it must be so stressful. That's like saying that it is okay to race horses because they like to run. They don't like to run like that!
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Not all animal "use" is abuse!!
We also have had Belgian horses on our farm all our lives. What would you like us to do with them? Leave them cooped up in their stalls 24/7?
These boys love to drive! It is what they were bred for, and you do not see the love and care that they get behind the scenes. Horses have been ridden and driven for millions of years! If our horses are left in the pasture a few days without being hitched up and going for what to them is a leisurely walk they are waiting at the gate for us, whinnying and ready to go! Horse are also used to all seasons and weather! they get thick winter coats and love tromping through the snow! They get plenty of healthy food and water. The events are only a small part of what they do. Obviously there may be some business men who are in it for the money and do not love or care about the horses but that comes in all professions and should not give everyone the bad rap. After saying all this however, I have never been to New York and seen first-hand the state of the industry there... I just want to say... all horse and carriages, and people who are into horses are not evil and bad. in fact its quite the opposite.
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I totally agree with Jen CG!
Not all animal "use" is abuse!!
We also have had Belgian horses on our farm all our lives. What would you like us to do with them? Leave them cooped up in their stalls 24/7?
These boys love to drive! It is what they were bred for, and you do not see the love and care that they get behind the scenes. Horses have been ridden and driven for millions of years! If our horses are left in the pasture a few days without being hitch up and going for what for them is a ride, they are waiting at the gate for us, whinnying and ready to go! Horse are also used to all seasons and weather! they get thick winter coats and love tromping through the snow! They get plenty of healthy food and water. The events are only a small part of what they do. Obviously there may be some business men who are in it for the money and do not love or care about the horses but that comes in all professions and should not give everyone the bad rap. After saying all this however, I have never been to New York and seen first-hand the state of the industry there... I just want to say... all horse and carriages, and people who are into horses are not evil and bad. in fact its quite the opposite.
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I just to dont get it, i mean, people have legs, they have hands. so why not just use them..
its aot more, and even more exititing to see, watch, and stop along the way to just walk.. Very heathy to do so...
so thats why horeses should be free, not be held on a carrage
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There is an outdoor mall near my home in Cali and they have horse-drawn carriages. I feel horrible for these poor horses that have to pull around a carriage filled with shoppers all night long. What can I do on a local level to stop it? -
Walter,
When an industry wants to cut corners they will, no matter what specific laws and regulations are on the books. I wish it was that simple to tell businesses they have to do x, y, and z and they would comply. But sadly this usually just isn't the case especially where the needs of animals are concerned.
You mentioned that we are in a recession and that it wasn't time to be throwing people into the unemployment lines. From what I understand this is a phase out type of ban where it will still be three years time before horse carriages would even be banned in NYC. And not only that, the people who currently work for this industry in NY are offered a job with the union behind them. -
I live in LA, and every time I travel to NY and see the horse-drawn carriages, it infuriates me. For a city so full of culture and sophistication, I cannot believe that they are still using horse-drawn carriages!! It is awful, and I'm so glad that you posted this...thank you for helping spread the word against taking these beautiful creatures from their natural state. xoxo -
Oh my. I don't even want to see those videos, they look scary. I am a self-identified horse lover, which for me does not mean only letting horses roam free. I enjoy being around trained horses and riding horses and treating them with respect and dignity. I think humans can interact with horses in non-violent and non-compromising ways. I will admit that I do not know much about round ups and will definitely seek to learn more about that and how being an equestrian may or may not have an effect on the practice. I would like to respond, however, to the comments regarding working horses. Anytime I've seen the carriages in NYC it breaks my heart to see horses in such conditions. They are overworked and always look so dejected, and let's face it, horses are not built to trot on roads all day alongside cars. Like I said, I don't think that it's wrong for humans to ever work with horses, but as far as carriages are concerned, there would have to be some radical changes to make it even remotely decent. I don't even know if that is possible in an urban setting. -
I went to Morocco on a holiday last October and I was AMAZED by the amount of animal mistreatment! Snake charmers (de fanged, of course, how cruel!) and dancing monkeys led around by strings! And bears (dancing with chains on their feet!)
And horse drawn carriages, of course! Everywhere you looked, they were as numerous as taxis! My group wanted to go on one, thank god we didn't in the end because I don't think I could have lived with myself! I didn't know about round ups then...
We walked in the end...it's really unfair the horses don't have that freedom...! -
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Horses can definitely be mistreated, just as dogs and cats can etc. But that does not mean it's routine. I don't know much about the NYC horses but I do know there are a lot of different ways to approach a horse and get to know one without aggression and oppression. A person will know very clearly when a horse does not want to do something and that's where the fine line is. I see horses as being generous, trusting and giving; hence, therapy horses. They can comminicate with people who can not speak or see or hear. They can't speak to us in ways we're used to either, or even scratch their own tick bite, yet it is entirely possible for a horse to live a long and happy life (into their 30s, 40s even) alongside a human being as well another horse, perhaps a donkey, or goats and barn cats. Like several posters before, being able to walk in and walk out of their stall when they chose to is optimal. It's a shame the happy human-horse scenario that exists makes headlines less. -
I totally agree that horse-drawn carriages should be banned. But I must say I am concerned about what might happen to these horses if they no longer have a "job". Does that mean they are given death sentences at that point? I can only support the ban if I know that these animals will be well cared for if they are no longer used for this purpose. A plan has to be in place first. -
I began to watch the video and I have to say that after viewing the first few seconds when that car cuts off the horse I had to stop it. It was totally frightening and upsetting to me. I am not sure if we should take horses off the street or if we should more highly regulate the way people drive these days. It seems like everyone basically does whatever they want behind the wheel, especially in NY!! People take no responsibility for the fact that they are endangering all sorts of lives when they drive selfishly and recklessly!
I am sure there are safer practices for horse drawn carriages that could be implemented. Honestly I think people would settle for rides around Central Park, no reason to put the horses on 5th Ave.
I understand that there is strong evidence in animal behavior research that suggests that domesticated animals experience more contentment when they have the ability to work. Even dogs, you will notice, seem to express joy when participating in their natural breed behavior be it herding or pulling.
I don't claim to know much in this area. The movie disturbed me but I try to be open to knowledge for both arguments. If it means that horses are safer not pulling carriages at all then I say take them off the street but if there is regulation that can be put in place that both protects the horse and allows to work then I would support that. -
It is a grossly false assumption that these horses are taken from the wild and "enslaved." Putting a "wild" horse on the streets of a major city is suicide. Horses are DOMESTICATED animals. All carriage horses are breeds that would die in the wild. I always tell people, "Would you send Chihuahua to live free with the wolves in Yellowstone?" It is the same thing, it's just people can clearly see the difference between a domestic dog and wolf and if you don't know horses they all "look the same."
All the wild horses being "rounded-up" today are turned into dog food and Japanese horse stakes. The rest are exterminated by cattle ranchers because they compete for grazing areas. ... See More
Want to save some wild horses? Protest big beef and stop eating burgers. Leave the damn employed animals alone.
And what is Miss Silverstone going to do with all the horses that become unemployed and eventually homeless once the "evil" carriage industries are stopped? Nobody is going to buy an old mix breed draft... they will be euthanized or worse, set loose to die of injury or starvation like the horses that were turned loose after the slaughter house ban went into effect.
There is abuse in the carriage industry- without a doubt- but it needs more regulation from people that REALLY care and understand these animals not an abrupt shutdown. The half-baked ideas of some movie "star" who thinks her fame and indignation give her all the answers will ultimately cause more suffering for these animals.
Everyone has a job to do. Just because I have a job does not mean I am enslaved. These horses get a place to live and food to eat in return for their work. All jobs have risks, plenty of people die in traffic accidents too, but I don't see anyone proposing a ban on cars.
It is reckless to pass judgement without first understanding an issue.
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This is so sad and unnecessary. Putting animals in servitude simply for human amusement just seems wrong. There are so many other ways to entertain ourselves! -
Going through heavy traffic should not be allowed. I was surprised because I thought they were only in a protected part of Central Park. That was a real eye opener. -
I am also with "Megan C"-- the idea of horses "running free" is a little far fetched. I know they have wild ponies still today in certain parts of our country, but I don't think you can just take off a halter wave your arms for them to "go be free"...ESPECIALLY if they have been domesticated their entire lives. Also, if you aren't exploiting the horse with the intent to force performance in order to line your pocket-- I don't see any difference in having a pet horse and having a pet dog or cat. They too were once free roaming and now domesticated. They are peoples pets too. -
I live in New Orleans and we have mule-drawn carriages that pull tourist through the french quarter. I have also had horses almost all of my childhood. I can tell you from what I have witnessed in NOLA the mules are revered almost as a city mascot. They are ALWAYS very well groomed, professional shod, have water troughs in front of them when parked and seemed to be adored by their handlers. I am not saying they are happy b/c I am just not going to pretend I can tell that, but I can tell you that they are cared for so well because they serve such an important role in the revitalization of our great city. Also, I am not saying this is "right" but I would certainly worry for their fate if there service was banned. -
I really have mixed feelings about this problem. When I was in NYC the only time I saw carriages was in the evening. The traffic was light, and traffic seemed not to be an issue at this time. I was in NYC in 2001. So, I assumed they were not really in operation during the daytime. A lot can change throughout the years. It seems to me that their should be a happy medium somewhere along the line, that car traffic is not allowed on certain streets to allow a leasurely ride. Maybe zones throughout the city at certain times cars were not there. Safety of the horses should be of the utmost importance. A limit on how long per day you have them work. The video of the carriages in heavy traffic was disturbing. The potential for serious injury to horses and people is there. Horseless carriages, might be a good solution, however, you have slow moving cars in fast moving street traffic. A dangerous mix in NYC. I for one enjoy a leasurely carriage ride, but give me a ride safely and out of the madness of traffic. As a potential rider in the carriage in heavy traffic I would be frightened to ride.
In my area, we have carriage rides during the evening in a very quiet streetm( on first night) the first fri of the month. This is off the heavy traffic area. It's wonderful, leasurely and just a few hours in the evening, once a month. -
I think the idea of horses running wild and free is a little romanticized. The fact is a really, really, really well cared for domesticated horse will probably live longer and be less stressed than a wild horse. By really, really well cared for I mean a horse that is turned out on large grass paddocks daily and only brought into a stall during really bad weather, recieves supplemental foods during seasons where grass is scarce, vet care, hoof care and regular grooming. Think about it. A well cared for domesticated horse will have every little scratch cared for, will never worry about going hungry, and will not be forced to live with a horse that tries to push it out of the herd, will be given shelter from bad weather and will receive medicine for any illness. I know many horse owners including myself who sacrifice their own happiness to ensure amazing care for their animals and the animals are often more spoiled than most children. I would guess if you asked a really well cared for domesticated horse if he would like to fend for himself in the wild he would probably laugh in your face.
That being said, there is only a certain percentage of horse owners who treat their horses like their children and provide them with living conditions that are best suited to them and their natural instincts. I don't know enough personally about the conditions of the NYC carriage horses, but knowing what I do know about horses, MOST like peace and quiet, they like grass and being able to socialize with other horses on a daily basis. Their heart is in their stomach and their health is greatly improved when they can spend most of their day grazing and moving around at their leisure. I know what a happy horse looks like and most of the carriage horses I have seen don't look very happy. -
I am glad you posted this. I do not think many people even think about how abusive this is towards horses. People get caught up in this idea of "romance" when it comes to horse drawn carriages through central park or what have you.
I signed this petition and encourage many more to do so..xoxomegan (Sacramento, California) -
thank you for this post, alicia. more people need to know the truth. too many think it's OK to do what we're doing to these creatures.
and it's OK that you cried like that. when i was a kid, i cried for like 2 weeks straight over black beauty after i read it. my parents were worried about me! -
Not only have I been signing these petitions over the last year or so I was at the city hall meets to finally have them ban this horrible idea of romance! These poor horses suffer day in and out. This should not be! Let's fight for their rights!! -
The beautiful horses in NY aren't the only horses being abused. After having returned from Ocean Shores beach in Washington I was reminded of the poor horse used to ride along the beach. Pictures of romantic romps along the shore are anything but what these poor animal have to endure. Heart wrenching.

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