
When I posted my recent blog about breastfeeding basics, you Kind Lifers responded with some great personal advice and lots of questions. I feel like this is a topic that could be discussed endlessly! So, I compiled some of your questions, and went straight to the experts - PCRM's Dr. Susan Levin, and a wonderful midwife and mother of two, Kelly. Hopefully, the info below will help you on your breastfeeding adventure as a mama or mommy-to-be!
Is vegan breast milk deficient in iron and zinc? Can a vegan mom increase her iron levels by eating more vitamin C with iron or are supplements recommended?
Susan: The guidelines for breastfeeding mothers are similar to those for pregnant women. Milk production requires even more calories than pregnancy, so you will need to boost your food intake a little bit. During the first six months of breastfeeding, you need 500 calories more than you did before you became pregnant. This drops to 400 additional calories during the second six months of breastfeeding. Protein needs are the same as during the second and third trimesters of pregnancy (an additional 25 grams per day over pre-pregnancy needs).
Alicia: PCRM has a fantastic article about iron and zinc for pregnant women on their website. The same advice applies to breastfeeding women, so check it out here. Also, there is a non-constipating iron supplement called Floradix that you can take if you really don't eat enough iron. But iron is in so many foods - pretty much every bean, seaweed, quinoa, greens, sesame seeds, tofu, pumpkin seeds, raisins, prunes, beets, molasses, and for you nutritional yeast lovers, it's in there too. So if you're concerned about getting enough iron, make the seaweed dishes from my book. You can also make the gomasio and use it on your whole grains or greens.
What medications should be avoided when breastfeeding?
Alicia: Ideally, you won't need to be on medication!
Kelly: One of my favorite resources for breastfeeding moms is Kellymom.com. It has so much wonderful information on pretty much every issue related to breastfeeding. They have a page dedicated to finding out safety information for specific medications.
What if your baby doesn't want your breast milk?
Kelly: A baby not taking to its mother's breast milk is very rare. If a baby is rejecting the breast, it is usually due to nipple confusion from having taken a bottle. It is much less work to get milk from a bottle than from the breast. It is important to delay introducing a bottle until breastfeeding is well established, around 4-6 weeks. Early on, a baby may reject the breast if the baby is experiencing discomfort in a certain position. This can happen from the baby's journey through the birth canal. A session or two with a cranial sacral therapist will often help with this issue.
What if your baby has trouble sucking?
Kelly: A baby may have trouble sucking if it is premature, tired, or if the baby has a physical problem. Babies who are premature often have trouble latching on to the breast. If this is the case you can pump your milk and feed the baby with a syringe until the baby is strong enough to latch onto the breast. If a baby is term and is having difficulty sucking, the baby may be feeling discomfort in its neck or jaw and may just need an adjustment from a cranial sacral therapist.
In very rare cases (less than 2%) the baby may have a tight frenulum causing the baby to be "tongue-tied." You can tell if your baby is tongue tied by looking at him, and sticking out your tongue. The baby will imitate you. If he cannot fully extend his tongue, or if the tip of the tongue looks heart shaped he may be tongue tied. If this is the case, have the baby checked by your doctor. It is often possible for the doctor to snip the frenulum which allows the tongue to extend and breastfeeding can continue.
Is goat's milk closer to human milk than cow's milk?
Susan: I'm not sure why they [people] say this. "They" are wrong. Goat's milk is strikingly similar to cow's milk. Both a cow's and a goat's milk are higher in protein (which makes sense considering how much faster they need to grow than human babies), higher in saturated fat, and lower in carbohydrate than human breast milk. Goat's milk and cow's milk are very similar across the nutrient board (macronutrients and micronutrients). Goat's milk is actually a little higher in saturated fat than cow's milk - human milk is the lowest.
If your baby has a food allergy or sensitivity do the allergens from your diet get passed on through breast milk?
Kelly: Allergens do pass through the breast milk. Dairy is the number one cause of colic in babies. Most often babies do fine with their mother's diets. If a baby is having a problem with something in their mother's diet, the baby may become uncomfortable, fussy and gassy. If the baby is hungry, comes to the breast, and then cries not wanting to latch or bats her head back and forth, and seems to be having extra discomfort, she may be having a reaction to something in the mother's diet. There is a wide range of foods that babies can be fussy with, but dairy, chocolate, and cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, Brussels sprouts etc) seem to be the most usual culprits.
What are the most common allergens? Dairy/soy?
Susan: Breastfed babies have a much better shot at not developing allergies because drinking mother's breastmilk, where common allergens are met first by Mom's immune system, protects the baby (La Leche League International (LLLI) has information about this). Otherwise, allergies developed in adolescence are often times the same allergies suffered by the child's parents, in other words, inherited.
Is breastfeeding painful?
Alicia: It can be, but just at first. What I've been told is it's important to have the bonding latch right away. Everyone I know who had pain in the beginning says how amazing it was after the first two weeks - that the insane feelings of ecstasy while baby nurses are the best ever, and that it's so worth the baracuda jaws for two weeks. Also, I have seen and heard so much about how the baby, when first put on the chest immediately after birth, will crawl up to your nipple after a while and open its mouth like a little bird looking for the nipple. How cute and precious is that?
Kelly: Breastfeeding is a learned process. As much as we want it to be completely intuitive, it just isn't. We are no longer raising babies in villages filled with other women who are breastfeeding. We don't see it often. We don't grow up seeing our mothers, sisters, aunts, cousins and friends openly breastfeeding. It is sad, but it is our reality. I recommend that every woman who is about to have a baby have a very good lactation consultant available to them after the birth of the baby. Some hospitals offer lactation consultants, but they only serve a few hours a day, and are not available all the time, or after the mother goes home. Have someone you can call at anytime who can come to you and help you. There are so many teeny tiny things that can cause major problems and pain if not corrected right away. You would never know what these are unless you have someone very experienced to help you.
For most, breastfeeding is uncomfortable for the first couple of weeks. Mostly because you have never had someone stimulating your nipples constantly for hours and days at a time before! That being said, if there is excruciating pain, cracking, or bleeding, that is not normal, and you should absolutely seek out help from a good lactation consultant.
Can a vegan diet promote allergies in a baby?
Alicia: No way! Susan and Christina addressed this in my second pregnancy blog.
Where exactly is isolated soy found so we can avoid it?
Alicia: I go into detail about this in my recent blog about soy. Check it out if you haven't had a chance to read it yet!
Would you like to share your breastfeeding advice with the community? Share your thoughts in the comments below, and I may feature them on the homepage of The Kind Life!
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To add one more advise, from my experience, definitely talk to LLI for guidence. I was given false advice from the nurses in my hospital to the point where I thought I was doing my breastfeeding incorrectly. Which in fact was the completely wrong. I just needed some help making myself more comfortable. That's the key. If you're comfortable, breastfeeding will be alot easier. For me, I found that breastfeeding in my bed (at first) worked best. With the Boppy pillow and about five pillows to support my back.
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Even though I was happily anticipating breastfeeding my baby my milk didn't come in until 7 days after my very healthy son was born. Needless to say I was pretty concerned that my milk didn't come in the usual time frame, especially after having gone to a breastfeeding class before birth. I spent hours on the phone seeking information, reading about breastfeeding and spent time with lactation consultants- I honestly just made breastfeeding my job. There were many many visits to the pediatrician for weigh-ins to see if my son was gaining weight like he should be. It was touch and go for a while, and mostly the pediatricians were great. One of the newer pediatricians at the practice told me within the first few days of birth that in order to avoid stressing about the milk coming in, I should just supplement my son with formula while breastfeeding. Idiot man- of course this is the last thing one should be doing since breastfeeding is what stimulates the milk coming in. It turned out that I had a low milk supply, which a very excellent lactation consultant had the cure for- fenugreek capsules. Fenugreek is an herb that promotes and boosts milk supply- and makes your breast milk smell and taste like maple syrup to baby-bonus! My lactation *Goddess* consultant told me how much of the fenugreek to take- and that the dosage she recommended was more than the manufacturer indicates on the packaging. Fenugreek is VERY high fiber, so you might have to adjust your diet accordingly, but we vegans are used to dealing with that anyway. Another herb mentioned to me was blessed thistle, but as I had such success with the fenugreek, I never had need of blessed thistle and cannot personally attest to its effectiveness. Hope this helps anyone with milk issues; it was my salvation. After about a month of breastfeeding, my son and I were in a great rhythm and it was so easy and beautiful from then on. At 2 yrs, my son's in the 90% + for height and is ahead of the curve otherwise.
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Also, I am the one that raised the question months ago about whether or not a vegan diet cause food allergies. My new allergist assured me that out of 100's of patients, she only knows a handful of mothers that are vegan/vegeterians. My son has a deadly food allergy to cows milk, Soy, Eggs, Peanuts (outgrew sesame recently -yay) And of course everyone around me begged me to stop BFing and start eating meat.
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my experience with breastfeeding was both beautiful and also hurtful. My in-laws though it was disgusting. I couldn't get away from the "you're still BFing?", or "when will you stop?", or "it's the same damn thing." It hurt me a lot to receive their constant comments for the entire 13 months i breastfed my son. I'm pregnant now and the first few questions were "are you going to BF again?" ...here we go again.. I'm tired of fighting with them about it.
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Stephanie - I went to a milk bank not a milk sharing group. Oh! I wish I had known about the milk sharing group! My partner just started putting it in his coffee. :(
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It's so funny that this was posted this morning. I had a terrible dream last night that grandmother gave my son cow's milk and I flipped out!
I breastfed my son to 20 months, my milk stopped because I was pregnant. Now that my daughter is here he still wants to nurse :( Makes me sad, the La Leche lady said I could start nursing him again but I felt strange about it. He is a BIG boy and has always been vegan!
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@BG, Ava said that her baby was put into NICU, same thing happened to a friend of mine, the babies are in the cribs, they touch the baby by putting their arms through holes in the side. There is no skin on skin. I know what you are saying, but my friend didn't hold her baby for over a week, he was 10 weeks early.
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@ ava: when you're having difficulties produciing milk, using domperidone may help. It's a harmless drug used against nausea, but it helps raising prolactin levels as well and thus increases milk production considerably. I don't know about the US, but in Belgium you can get it at the pharmacist's without prescription, and it is often used as a means to increase milk production. But it's always necessary to ask a lacation consultant about advice (instead of experimenting by yourself).
There's an interesting article about domperidone by Jack Newman: http://www.drjacknewman.com/help/Domperidone%20Getting%20Started.asp
Your pumping output does not always tell something about your real milk production, by the way. Some women's breasts are just not likely to be 'tricked' by a pumping machine. Or some women stress too much over the pumping (especially in the beginning), and that stress inhibits easy pumping. In that case, syntocinon (synthetic oxytocine) in the form of a nasal spray is so, so very helpful. It works within a few seconds. Again, I don't know about the US, but in the Netherlands, you can get it at the pharmacist with a doctor's prescription. (They don't have it in Belgium, so I got mine across the border). In my opinion, they should have that everywhere, because it's soooo important that all women should be able to pump milk easily.
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@ Ava - I just read your comment and saw your questions. One of the first things you can do to help your milk come in, is lots of skin to skin. The first hour baby is born and the following days, hold your baby, spend time bonding with baby. Get those hormones going...Prolactin and Oxytocin. What is skin to skin? Baby down to a dry diaper, mom bare on top and a thin blanket ( your body temp will keep baby warm). Milk usually comes in between day 3-5 after baby is born. And nurse every hour and a half to two hours (10-12 times in a 24 period). Don't forget to wake baby at night for feeding.
Hope this helps!
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Thank you for posting this Alicia. My son is four months old and I have been vegan and breastfeeding exclusively since his birth.
I love having such an intimate way of feeding my beautiful baby boy
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The most common complaint I hear from mothers trying to breastfeed is the problem with latching on. Most women that get pain and have a hungry after is because they only put the nipple in, when they need the WHOLE areola in there mouth. When this is done it allows the milk to flow easily instead of painfully being forced through. The babies lips should be flipped outward kinda like a fish. After the baby latches on to the whole areola, flip there lips out and this should help a lot. If you hear that cute sucking noise it means the baby is swallowing air and you should retry otherwise you will have one fussy baby. Hope this advice helps, it was the best I got and have succesfully breastfed my three sons because of it. Happy breatfeeding to everyone!!!
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Thank you for this post! I breastfed both my boys, but was not vegan at the time. We will eventually go for #3 and hopefully everything will go well and I will be able to breastfeed a third. This is great information!
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What a wonderful post! Thank you for sharing this. In terms of promoting a natural way of life, veganism and breastfeeding really go hand in hand.
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The breast is best! It's so great to see breastfeeding in a positive light. I've had so many people advise me to supplement breasfeeding with formula so that "my baby will sleep better at night" or "to make sure the baby is getting enough milk." While there may be some people who don't produce adequate breastmilk, this is uncommon. If anyone is reading this that is currently breastfeeding and worried that they aren't producting enough milk, please go see a lactation consultant! Or check to see if your local hospital has a lactation educator available.
I breastfed my first two babies for two years each and I am currently breastfeeding my third baby. It has been a wonderful way to connect with my babies and provide them with the best source of nourishment, their mother's milk.
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I'm currently pregnant with my third child and very much hope to breastfeed successfully this time around. With my first two babies, I did not produce enough milk to be able to nurse without the eventual addition of formula, (my first was given formula right away as he was in the NICU for 5 days and couldn't come to me, also pumping produced little to nothing at first. My second breastfed exclusively for the first 2 months but gained little weight during that time.) I don't know if it was because I wasn't eating enough food or drinking enough water, or if I'm one of the few ladies that simply cannot make lots of breast milk. Aside from having a lactation consultant handy, any advice on what I can do to help my milk come in? Thank you!!
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I went vegan when my 2nd baby was just a few months old. He's now 3, and we're still breastfeeding. I also have a 20 month old (who is also still nursing), and I'm 16 weeks pregnant. Vegan nursing/pregnancy has been awesome for my family! I have 3 healthy, strong little boys to prove it!
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I breastfed my first son and am currently breastfeeding my second. Getting the latch was hard both times but definitely much easier the second time around. Where it is innate, its not as easy as they show you in all of the videos and movies you see in your birthing classes. I definitely took advantage of the free lactation consultant at the hospital and my midwife. With my first, I was about to give up at around 4 weeks because as much as I loved it, I did not have good support and didn't understand why my child was feeding non-stop. I found a new mom's club at a local lacatation center that saved me. Good support from other breastfeeding mom's is key. Now that I'm back at work full time with my second child, I will admit that I loathe pumping twice a day but will continue to do so for the next 7 months because I know this little inconvenience is good for my baby, the environment and me. I truly believe we can do whatever we set our mind to do. Best of luck to all of you new moms.
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Randi - What organization denied you? I've heard of milk banks doing that but not milk sharing groups. The human milk for human babies group allows moms to post whether they have a need or a donation, they do not screen anybody or deny anybody. So if you posted that you had vegan milk (which is actually in huge demand because so many babies have dairy allergies) up for donation, then it would be up to the recipient to decide if it were right for her baby.
Always seems so odd to me when I hear about a vegan mother wanting to formula feed. There is just nothing natural about that!
Also - Good luck with your breastfeeding journey Alicia!
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I am vegan and still breastfeeding my second child who is 17 months old. I love breastfeeding! It so beneficial both nutritionally and emotionally. My son was born in a birthing pool, latched on straight away, and then breastfed for nearly 2 hours before the nurses finally decided they needed to weigh him :) I just wish more people would realise how wonderful it is. Nearly everyone here in the UK bottlefeeds :(
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Alicia-
I love this post! I give breastfeeding support to new moms and babies, this is my job and I LOVE it. I also help with organizing local trainings for health care professionals in the community I work in. THANK you for posting these important questions and shinning a positive light on Breastfeeding :)
p.s. I enjoyed reading your book and trying some of the recipes!
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i wasn't breastfed and so was really overwhelmed by the idea when i was pregnant with my daughter. i knew it was the healthiest option, but it was totally the great unknown and that terrified me.
in the end i love love loved nursing and am so glad i chose to do it.
here's a bit about my experience:
xo,
eve
www.lovelifeandlollipops.com
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I am vegan and nursed for a year. We had some trouble for the first three days, but we got it eventually.
Stephanie - I was producing so much milk that I looked into donating mine. They turned me down because I am vegan and they said the fat content in my milk was too low.
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Would be great to include information on milk sharing. While it is so rare for mother not be able to breast feed, many of them feel they have to turn to commercial formula. There is a network of moms on facebook called human milk for human babies. They help moms in need match up with other moms in their community who have milk to donate.
Both of my childen were born at home and were put to the breast immidiatey. Neither had any trouble latching. Also important to remeber things that disrupt the breast feeding relationship should be avioded at all costs (circumcision for example). The natural high you et while breastfeeding is amazing!
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I'm not pregnant nor do I have a child, but when do have a baby, i can't decide if I want to breastfeed or not. initially, I did not - but now, the more I read about it, it just seems like the healthiest thing to feed a newborn.

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