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Transition from Juicing/Raw Diet

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realfood said #1 Dec 15, 2009 at 12:24pm

I've been following a detox diet that includes vegetable juices, raw salads, cooked vegetables, root veggies, avocados, raw goats cheese, eggs, butter, fish, low sugar fruit (berries, green apples and grapefruit), quinoa, millet and buckwheat (not mixing starches with flex foods). The diet plan eschews most soy, grains, beans and any sugar (including agave, maple and brown rice syrup). Over the past year, I've gone from just juicing for breakfast to juicing until dinner most days. So I'm eating one meal a day from an extremely limited list of foods. I'm just not really hungry until dinner. While I lost weight at first and was down about 20 lbs at the beginning of the summer, I've gained about 1/2 to 3/4 of that amount back depending on the day. I'd like to go vegan, but have kept the goat cheese/eggs for variety. I read the Kind Diet, and I'd love to be able to eat the wholesome superhero foods as well as some naughty vegan treats once in a while. I'm also seeing a accupuncturist who has encouraged me to eat more cooked foods because Aunt Flow has gone missing since I quit OC shortly before I started doing the raw food detox. I'm just way nervous that I'll blow up like a balloon if I start eating more and a wider variety of foods. Alicia, you mentioned that she was following a raw food diet before finding macrobiotics. How did you transition from raw foods to cooked foods without gaining weight? Also, I know green juice isn't macrobiotic, but I love it, and do I need to give it up? I think I'd like to do more macrobiotic in the Chicago winter and more raw juices, berries and veggies in the summer.

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e.greenleaf said #2 Dec 15, 2009 at 10:31pm

i don't think you'll gain weight on the superhero plan. i was eating a high-raw diet all summer long, and i switched to superhero and didn't gain. in fact, i lost. i think it's because i'm not eating so much sugary fruit all day and so many nuts.

added benefit: i feel more calm and don't get hungry like i did while on raw.

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Mikah said #3 Dec 15, 2009 at 11:16pm

I would love to hear Alicia's answers to these questions as well. I LOVE my green juice.

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realfood said #4 Dec 16, 2009 at 3:43pm

Yeah, I actually don't eat any sugary fruit. I only do grapefruit, berries and green apples (or other apples if they are in season) and only a couple of times a week. I also do very very limited amounts of nuts/seeds. My daily intake looks like:
During the Morning/Day
64 oz celery, cucumber, kale, lemon, ginger juice

If I have lunch, it's a vegetable salad (no beans, cheese or fancy stuff) with avocado. I only eat lunch 2 or 3 days a week. Most days, it's just the veggie juice until dinner.

Dinner:
BIG green salad with either avocado or goat cheese. With the avocado, I usually eat some squash or sweet potatoes with a little organic butter. With the cheese, I will have an omelet/fritatta sometimes. For dessert, dark chocolate or some goat's milk ice cream is sanctioned, but I make some spelt chocolate chip cookies if I feel super naughty. Wine is also okay in limited amounts.

I'm thinking I can keep up with the green juice and just loosen up on dinner as a transition point? Maybe skip the rice (too heavy) and stick with quinoa, millet and buckwheat?

I am excited also hear what Alicia thinks.

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e.greenleaf said #5 Dec 16, 2009 at 9:15pm

well, the superhero plan doesn't contain any dairy, chocolate, or sugar. i think if you give up those things for a while, you'll definitely lose weight on the plan.
it seems you're compensating for the low calories of the salad with the fatty stuff like cheese, chocolate, ice cream and such.

with the superhero plan, the whole grains really do fill you up, so you don't have the desire to indulge in fatty foods as much. i'm not saying eating fatty things is bad, everyone needs fat in their diet, but don't be afraid of the brown rice. it won't make you gain weight. if you eat it with a well-rounded meal that contains a big bowl of steamed or sauteed greens and a protein on the side.. like beans or tofu or something, you will find that you're very full and very satisfied. the rice is a big pile of fuel in your stomach that stays with you for hours.

i was eating a high raw diet, but instead of compensating with dairy and chocolate, i compensated with fatty nut butters and sugary berries. now i don't feel the need to go for the nut butters and berries every day. i also feel less.. i don't know how to put it?? eating a lot of cold food really got to me. it's nice to have a big steamy bowl of soup.

i wasn't an overeater, or very overweight, or inactive. i exercised constantly. on the raw diet, i felt unsatisfied and still didn't lose weight. now i'm barely exercising and just doing superhero plan 6 days a week, and the weight is falling off like crazy. and i couldn't be happier to sit down with a bowl of brown rice every day and not worry!

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Alicia Silverstone said #6 Dec 16, 2009 at 10:03pm

hi there, i agree with e.greenleaf.
im excited that you want to try this...
i ditto everything she said.
i really think that your experiencing what i did which is the extremes....your body isnt getting nourished from the salad and juice so by dinner you want fat and sweets....its out of balance....
if you eat superhero....for a while til you feel very comfy with it and you see you wont gain weight then start dabbling for treats in the vegan section....you will feel amazing....and its great that you love greens and have such disipline......so use that in this direction.....sugar and choclate and dairy are so bad for you! that its really not at all helpful that you are just having greens for am and lunch...thats too diety....you want freedom to enjoy food! and have a green juice when you feel like it...but not to replace any meals....as a snack...2 or 3 times a week...only if you really want it! are grapefruots growing anywhere near chicago rght now? if not id save that for a real treat. i save the fruit for treats or for dessert or snacks...
brown rice will be magical for your body...chew chew....
not more than a cup....
at each meal..
just while you are adjusting...
your gonna do great! and keep having your salad but as a side dish to your other veg dishes and grains and beans....and go easy on the avo....have that every other day and not a whole avo....maybe 1/4 to a half if you must...
hope this was helpful....let me know if not...

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Sarah ni said #7 Dec 16, 2009 at 10:58pm

why is brown rice magical for your body?

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e.greenleaf said #8 Dec 16, 2009 at 11:27pm

great link on the benefits of brown rice. there are too many to list!

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=128#healthbenefits

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realfood said #9 Dec 17, 2009 at 8:13am

e.greenleaf and Alicia,
Thanks for your really thoughtful responses. I've been ruminating on this since I read Alicia's book. Intuitively, I know that the detox that I've been on for the past year was good for me (believe me, it's the first diet I've ever been on that I had any discipline to keep going with), but it felt best in the summer (when it sort of made sense) and in the winter, it doesn't make so much sense. Also, I totally agree that it's completely extreme. The online community that follows the juicing/raw diet/lifestyle is super eating disorder-y. It's really bad when someone is saying that tofu and peanuts are the worst things you can put in your body! But the whole experience got me off caffeine, most dairy and meat. Also, it got me hooked on huge salads, green juice and rebounding, so it wasn't all bad.
I've decided to donate my chocolate/honey/dairy/eggs/ice cream to my omni neighbor, and make Christmas with my family my last vegetarian/not-vegan meal. I'm still worried that if I allow myself to start eating during the day that I'll lose all my discipline, but intuitively macrobiotics makes sense and I've been interested in it for a long while. It's a pity I moved away from LA because I could get Real Food Daily delivered to my house. (One of my favorite meals there (aside from the nachos) was the Basic 3 with House Dressing. Thank goodness I have that cookbook!

The day after Christmas I'm going to start on the "weight loss" regimen suggested in TKD, and just take the leap of faith committing to it for at least a month. Until then, I'm going to focus on getting a superhero lunch and dinner every day (except for Christmas).

Thanks again so much for your wonderful suggestions!

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realfood said #10 Dec 17, 2009 at 8:19am

I just have a couple of follow up questions:

1. How do I get a macro lunch at work in an office? One of the things I love about the juicing is that I can transport it easily and don't have to heat it up. (I have also given up the micro!) Would it work to get a brown rice bowl with veggies and beans from the place I usually get my salad and maybe bring a thermos of miso soup? Or is there a product out there that will keep it hot.

2. Colonics-I get them. I like them. (Only gravity method). Is it an un-superhero thing to do? (Sorry for the TMI question).



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