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Critiques of the China Study

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french_momma said #11 Dec 11, 2010 at 8:17pm

Interestingly, as brought out in the China Study, they clearly observed that it was not the amounts of toxic elements that made cancer progress. Toxins begin the process, but the diet controlled (very clearly) whether or not the cancer continued to grow and threaten the well being of the subjects involved. No matter how much they were exposed to, the cancer would not grow if the subject was eating a plant based diet. Dr. Campbell is trying to spread the word of his astonishing findings so that more people can live without so much fear of external sources of toxicity. He was not trying to say that people who are sick should only blame themselves.

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french_momma said #12 Dec 11, 2010 at 8:21pm

Also, I am so sorry you are dealing with the difficulties of an auto-immune illness. I am in that boat also, and it is not an immediate answer (the diet) but personally I believe that the more carefully I stick to superhero the more I will continue to improve. The change is slow, but sure, and worth the effort. The other choice- a slow decline- is unthinkable. I have to be here and be healthy for my kids!

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ann ann said #13 Dec 12, 2010 at 5:53am

yes, diet is a huge factor but not the only one for sure! Example: I've been a whole foods non-sugar non-processed food vegan for many many years and recently became ill - they finally discovered I had high levels of PCBs in me, I had neurotoxicity. I don't care how great my diet was, it was not going to protect me from the exposure I had! I could have been superhero out the whazoo - exposure to neurotoxin is exposure to neurotoxin - and a lot of stuff like this is left undiscovered and is a part of disease. I did indeed use diet to help me heal - became a whole foods non-sugar vegan who no longer eats soy, wheat or corn - taking every stress I could off of my body.


I totally understand where you are coming from Inner Winds, and see people around me who eat total crap leading long lives in which they are healthy - while I have been so careful for over 20 years and still had something come up - diet is a part of things, but I agree, its not always all of it and in some cases I think can offer little in terms of protection.


You could be superhero from birth, but perhaps the "organic" veggies you eat have chemicals on them (and they are allowed by law to use some on stuff labeled organic) or the water you bathe in is high in chlorine or the urban area you live in has a toxic superfund site three blocks away or the tampoons you use have dioxin in them etc....


as much as I wish it were (!!!) its not always (or usually!) all in our control!

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Inner winds said #14 Dec 12, 2010 at 8:06am

Well said ann ann. I think we are both coming from the same place, although I have a more difficult time writing my thoughts. As powerful as diet is, and as healing as it can be, there are some cases where our health is not in our control. For these situations, I think it's important to not feel responsible for becoming sick, or think it's something that you may have done. Best to you...

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Beary said #15 Dec 12, 2010 at 8:14pm

HI Cierra,


I wanted to post Campbell's response to Minger.


http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-campbell-slaps-down-critic-denise-minger.html


I am sure Denise Minger is a well-meaning person, but she lists her occupation as "professional sock-puppeteer" and preschool teacher. Campbell is an esteemed professor of nutrition at an ivy league university (Cornell), and has spent his entire career producing peer-reviewed research. When another academic scientist attempted to offer a critique of Minger's analyses on her blog, Minger deleted the comments.


I am not a scientist, but I have published in peer-reviewed academic journals in my own discipline. "Blind peer-review" is an extremely rigorous evaluation in which your research is critiqued by anonymous experts in your field; the whole process is overseen by the editorial board of the publication and everyone's reputation is riding on making sure that what is published is valid. Its like fact-checking times 1000. Only a small percentage of research submitted to academic journals ever reaches the publication stage due to the strictness of the evaluation procedure.


So, understanding this process, when I read Minger's claims, I figured no one could possibly take her seriously. But the internet is a powerful thing where any opinion can be passed around as though an "expert" has written it...even if that expert is a "professional sock-puppeteer" with no scientific background, let alone experience with statistical analyses.

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Justin Bean said #16 Dec 13, 2010 at 4:55am

I am sorry that my posts appear judgmental, it is not my intent. Try and forget about blame. Forget about "good" foods and "bad" foods.


Auto immune diseases are driven not by "bad" foods or by any bad decision made by the sufferer. Auto immune reactions can occur to what are widely considered healthy, "good" foods.


You see normally benign dietary remnants are commonly found in our blood steam. These bits and pieces of the foods we've eaten get identified and destroyed by our immune system as a mistake. They should be ignored by the immune system and simply get used up as fuel but some people (those with the stronger immune response) get into trouble.


The unique forms that dairy based foods take, make them quite effective at creating these reactions but almost any ingredient in almost any food could be the culprit.


If during the process of destroying one of these crumbs, the patient's immune system (antigen) makes a copy of that crumb (remnant), we call that an antibody. Antibodies attack anything and everything they have been programed for. They may attack connective tissue (arthritis), neurological tissue (MS) , blood production sites in the bone marrow (lupus). skin on the scalp, elbows or knees (psoriasis) or almost any tissue or organ. The thyroid may be the most common.


Identifying and eliminating the trigger is the most effective way to find remission. Does it always work? No, it does not. Does that mean there is no reason to try? No as well. Does that mean it is the patients fault if they get sick or can't figure out how to get better? No, absolutely not. This process is really difficult and in some cases ineffective.


These disorders represent much pain and suffering. Adding guilt to that mix is unnecessary. Consider our shared goal of finding a cure in the spirit with which it is offered. One based on hope for a remission, whatever the source of that remission, if it is possible to achieve.

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Inner winds said #17 Dec 13, 2010 at 11:16am

Thank you Justin for your beautifully written response.

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french_momma said #18 Dec 13, 2010 at 12:30pm

Excellent Justin! Thanks so much. This is what I am dealing with as well, with leaky gut syndrome caused by candida overgrowth. In a few weeks (hopefully) my kids' naturopath will begin NAET with me to clear me of some food sensitivities, and she will help me heal my gut with homeopathic remedies.

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