I have read that the United States is the only country that allows human consumption of soy products. It said that in other countries, soy is considerd animal food only. Does anyone have any insight on soy?
Oookaaay. Never heard that one. Aside from the Asian countries in which it is a staple, I certainly know they have soy available in England and Canada, and I'm certain it must be in Australia as well. I'm curious as to where you read that as well, I would take a look at the source of the article or whatever it was you read. For some perspective on how some things are done in our country, check out the documentary King Corn. According to that documentary, a good portion of the corn grown and subsidized in the US isn't edible, except for by animals, until it has been processed into another form - like corn syrup. I'm more concerned about stuff like that than eating organic soy bean products such as edamame, tofu, tempeh, and miso.
I am just starting to explore the vegan lifestyle (2 weeks new) and I have read a million articles and books and can't remember where I read that soy is only given to animals in other countries but Optimum Choices and Weston Price Foundation is where I read that in the Asian countries they only eat it in the fermented state not like we do in the United States and it is only used as a condiment as it is toxic in large doses. They also said the soybean industry has depleted more of the Amazon Rain forest than cattle....just wondering what to believe
You should search "soy" on the Kind Life homepage. (over on the right hand side of the page) Alicia did a blog about this a while ago. I think the general consensus is that it is fine in moderation. She also talks about it in the book
Robyne - generally fermented soy is the best for your health, but others are fine in moderation. Just make sure it's always organic, and don't go crazy with soy milk and soy 'replacement' products - those are really the things you should watch consumption of, but even those as occasional treats are fine. The best are tempeh, good soy sauce - not the cheap stuff, miso, and then tofu in moderation.
Research Weston A Price Foundation. They lack any true scientific basis, and their goal is basically to promote meat and cholesterol (!!) as healthy, and vegan/vegetarian diets as unhealthy. My understanding is that while they also base their claims on the work of Price, they took his work out of context. That's why I say, look to the source of your information. The Price Foundation is juat notorious for trying to debunk veg*nism.
And keep in mind that most of the U.S. is eating processed soy even though they don't know it - it's in a lot of processed foods. Start reading packages, you will probably be surprised. So if people say stuff to you about it, you might want to suggest they read the labels of the food they eat. Read The Kind Diet, Alicia talks about soy. And as Rebecca suggested, do a site search, Alicia posted on soy, but there are other threads on which members have posted good links as well.
And really, the focus of any healthy diet should be fresh vegetables - that should be at least half your plate, the other half grains, protein, a little good fat. So if you're eating healthfully, you shouldn't need to worry about consuming too much of anything. Now, if the focus of your meal every day is soy, then that is a problem simply from a health perspective, just as the focus of the meal being a giant slab of meat is a problem from a health perspective.
Many of the studies are purposely manipulated to favor the outcome.
Soya is fine as long as you arent allergic, it is a semi common allergen. Its funny you see many saying dont eat soya as you'll grow breasts, become gay or other crazy theories due to the phyto-estrogen content.
Phyto-estrogens are very misunderstood, they merely are weak mimicking estrogenic compounds which can raise low estrogen and lock up receptor sites so more harmful enviromental estrogens arent absorbed. The result is hormonal balance and various other health benefits which show soy's isoflavones to help prevent homonal cancers such as those of the breast and improve bone density.
These people who tout these claims all have no problem tucking into slabs of meat which contain strong hormones.
Most of the soy we eat is either fermented or cooked thus the goitrogenic aspect is lowered. All plant foods contain phyto-estrogens. Flax contains even more phyto-estrogens than soya and again most have no problem tucking into flax seed or flax oil.
Personally, I avoid soy because there are superior options. It is a tasteless and cheap bean that is often commercially prepared with MSG, flavor enhancers, sugar, or artificial sweeteners. It is commonly grown as a genetically modified mutant that may cause allergies to various degrees. We have so many other beans and options that are flavorful and interesting in their sprouted or cooked form.
Manufacturers of 'food like products' (that are overly processed) like to tout one particular aspect of a food to promote it. This is a game. Soy, as a whole, has a lot more going against it that for it. The dangerous hormone effects far outweigh any small beneficial factor of one particular component of soy.
Eat a balanced diet that includes a variety of legumes. Soy is unnecessary and potentially harmful. You don't need more processed foods in your diet, do you?
Dan - I agree that most processed products containing soy are going to contain soy that has been genetically modified, just like corn. That means fake meats and cheeses and things like that likely contain GMO soy unless labeled that they are made with organic soy (though as processed products it is still best only to consume them as occasional treats). A lot of items commercially prepared have added flavor enhancers, sugar, or artificial sweeteners, that is why processed foods are best consumed occasionally or not at all, whether you're vegan or not.
However, unless a person has a soy allergy, I do not believe that soy is harmful. Organic tofu, tempeh, and miso are all good foods. If they were dangerous, then those Asian populations that have consumed them for thousands of years as a regular part of their diet would be very ill. I also agree with Alicia that tofu and tempeh is good to be consumed a couple of times a week. (For those who might want more information, try a search of the site for posts by Alicia or threads by Kind Lifers with links to reliable souurces). Just like I might suggest to someone who eats only black beans every day that they try other legumes, I would suggest that soy beans be rotated as well, simply for variety of flavor and nutrition.
Wholesome forms of organic soy - tempeh, tofu, miso - are a good part of a well balanced diet, it's the processed faux stuff that people should be wary of.
It's CRAP PURE AND SIMPLE....used to fatten animals and it has done that here except we're the animals....about ten years ago the soy manufacturers started to push it as the wonder food...it's now in everything processed and touted as good for us...have you noticed that everyone has gotten fatter in the last ten years..It interferes with metabolism (slowing it down)..look at the studies...despite what some people think, this also goes for tofu (although very small amounts of the pure form and not very often may be OK) ....If we won't/don't buy soy, or any products containing it in any form (disguised or otherwise), we'll stop being force fed it by the food manufacturers who use it in all kinds of packaged foods at our expense....literally and figuratively...
Audrey Biloon, the Free Dogs (Dairy, Oil, Gluten, Soy and Sugar) Vegan
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